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Wednesday Open Thread: Does Politics Rot Your Mind?

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It's Day 93 of the Year 2019 CE (Gregorian), meaning that it's April 3, 2019 (Gregorian), or 13.0.6.6.14 by the long count A better, more precise question is "in what manner and do what degree does adherence to political ideologies impair our cognitive functioning?". I'll let Doctor Grime kick it off:

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Allrighty, then, we all know that we've all seen multiple variations of that, with perhaps one difference. We are apt to notice that in others on the opposite side of some ideological divide than we are to notice it in ourselves and those who agree with our ideological position.

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Of course, to be fair, the study only addressed a specific form of mathematical analysis and the associated reasoning, but I think that it is safe to say that the implications are not limited to that. For one thing, math and logic are closely related and intermingled, which is why some great mathematicians are also great logicians. Bertrand Russell comes to mind. Descartes dabbled in both. and many others. De Morgan's theorems (or laws) apply to specific mathematical operations as well as specific logical operations.. Set theory is part of math as well as logic. There are other overlaps and commonalities as well. Logic, of course, plays at least a slight role, at least a small part of the time, in our general cognitive processes, though more often and pronouncedly in things like the sciences than in things like politics and religion.

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Truth be told, politics isn't a thing or discipline, but a grab bag, which is maybe why, to some extent, anything goes. It isn't particularly fact based, nor scientific, or even empirical. Some academics, here and there, do dabble in facts, though, more often than not, "facts", if the truth be told. Population size and population growth are both facts, though they are known to be imperfectly measured. ADP and GNP are also facts, though with not only measurement problems, but with definitional slop as well. Population has some meaning, such as the fact that for any given fixed, or temporarily fixed, quantity of resource, there will be less available per person when population increases, requiring creation of more, or a reduction in the average per capita allocation. GNP and ADP, though facts, don't really mean zip shit except to the speculators who gamble in the FIRE industry casino. The main thing, however, is that those and any other facts and quasi facts are filtered down to the individual through ideological frames of reference that are neither fact based nor empirical. One major reason is that they are value laden, and the values are derived from propaganda, myth, illogic, and fear. And, though high sounding, upon real close inspection they are usually also self-serving and all about the holder in some obscure way.Whatever the case, whether something is high or low generally depends at least in part upon how tall you are, and whether something is good for any particular person or group depends on what has value to them and why.

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The language doesn't help either, tropes and memes notwithstanding, it is full of unspoken assumptions and presumptions. I'll use poor Dr. Grime as an example, even though he is entitled to a break because he's British. What is that "left" and "right" silliness?. If you have 100 chairs and plant 86 conservatives in them, some chairs on the left will be occupied by persons of a conservative persuasion. Only if you have multiple rows and everybody sits whee an objective outsider would place them does the left-right dichotomy have any sense. This is horribly true in the US, where we call reactionaries conservatives and mere conservatives either centrists or even liberals. And, of course, that doesn't even venture into the question of self-identification where it is not at all unheard of for raging extremist to identify themselves as centrists or moderates.. At any rate, whatever you call things, the data is in and as unsurprising as it s it is quite telling, as is the very high likelihood that very few, if any, will say, "yeah, I do that, I guess, and pretty regularly too. Image is Christopher Dom's Droite/Gauche and is public domain  

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Its an open thread so have at it. The floor is yours . Cross posted from caucus99percent.com I'll be on a cliff or beach at El Capitan State Beach watching nature do her thing when this posts.


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